Protesters burning the American flag is one of the most ubiquitous sights around the world.

A lot of American flags go up in flames in Pakistan as well.

I have directly experienced this phenomenon first-hand on at least three occasions. The interesting thing is the experiences have been more about glaring ironies than anything revolutionary as such.

My first experience in this respect arrived in 1986. I was an intermediate student at a state-owned college in Karachi where I was also a member of a progressive student organisation and a frequent participant at many anti-Ziaul Haq rallies.

During one such rally held against the support the Zia dictatorship was getting from the United States for its anti-Soviet manoeuvres in Afghanistan, the student organisation decided to burn an American flag.

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An activist of the Communist Mazdoor Kisaan Party.

We were weary about the cops who had started to gather outside the college gates, and expected the usual barrage of tear-gas. But just as a group of radicals from the organisation torched the American flag, instead of the cops, we were confronted by members of the student wing of a well known politico-religious party.

They said that they would not allow the burning of the American flag because the US was a friendly country that was aiding a jihad against the atheistic Soviets.

I won’t go into the details of the jaw-breaking and head-bashing clash that followed, but today whenever I see televised pictures showing members of the same politico-religious student party torching American flags, I am flattened by the irony of it all.

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An American flag goes up in flames during a Jamat-i-Islami/IJT rally.

The power of the American Dollar. When it is flowing your way, the giver is given the status of a glorious partner to be praised and hailed, and those opposing it are to be denounced as ‘anti-Islam’ and anti-Pakistan.

But when the flow is diverted or stopped, the same glorious partner then becomes the political manifestation of Satan, ‘murdering innocent Muslims everywhere.’ Then people like me from being ‘KGB agents’ become ‘US agents.’

Today, most anti-American punters and protesters have become unintentional self-parodies. They are conveniently incapable of grasping the irony (if not the downright hypocrisy) of their actions, especially when it comes to burning the American flag.

They have become so intellectually and politically bankrupt that to fill the gaping existentialist holes in their whole thinking, they have created the US as a bogey to beat their bony chests about and obsessively blame.

They have given the concept of midlife crises an ideological twist. Albeit, not a very convincing one.

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My second experience in this respect came a year later (1987) at the same college.

A group of Sindhi and Baloch nationalist students within the progressive students’ alliance I was part of wanted to torch a Pakistani flag during a demonstration.

Some of us thought that it was not such a good idea because the Zia regime would then get a bigger excuse to crackdown on the organisation with even more brute a force.

I remember one Baloch student (who later went on to join a Baloch nationalist party), reacted by calling us hypocrites: ‘So, being a Marxist means one can only burn an American flag?’ He asked. ‘What’s so not imperialistic and oppressive about the Pakistani establishment?’

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A video grab of a Pakistani flag being torched.

In a meeting at the college canteen, we reached a consensus that two flags would be burned (‘to strike a balance’): The Pakistani and the American flags.

But some members (including myself) disagreed. We suggested that instead of flags we should torch pictures of Ziaul Haq and the American President Ronald Reagan along with those of some Afghan militants, such as Gulbaddin Hikmatyar (who was close to our politico-religious opponents at the college).

Our suggestion was vetoed until a fourth option was put forward: Why not torch American, Pakistani and Indian flags!

I have no memory left of exactly who raised this option and why, but I do remember we finally poured out of the canteen and moved towards the college’s common-room outside which the rally was to be held.


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Comments (141)

Abis
July 10, 2012 3:15 pm
Burning flags is a way of expressing hatred, and I believe USA / Israel as the main source of all evils across the world, including Terrorism in Pakistan.
Ahad
June 28, 2012 6:14 am
No Pakistani shia ever supported creation of Taliban. Taliban slaughtered Shias all over Afghanistan right from their start.
Ahad
June 28, 2012 6:12 am
Hillary admitted creating taliban was American mistake
BuSaif
June 23, 2012 7:36 pm
Please write it in english ......
BuSaif
June 23, 2012 7:31 pm
Just Muslim, These are two subjects address by you in a single note: The Real point: the difference is based on Aqeedah and that is the BIG/MAJOR difference to make them as two different identities. However, to prove in detail shall hijack the thread which is not my objective as NFP is the owner of the thread...lol However, what I understood is that you are making them identical by looking at the condemnation issue so to be precise: The Grand Imam during the Hajj Sermon/Khutbah in Saudia Arabia which for sure is not a deobandi Hanafi, denounce/condemns the terrorism and violence, killings of innocent and or killing in general to the fullest and make mass notice and then dua’a for the protection of the oppressed and weak. On the contrary never heard from the others (PTT etc)... so it proves they are not even similar if we make this as criteria to identify the similarity, though as said above the real difference is Adeedah brother/sister... Peace to all
Jamshed Khan
June 23, 2012 6:52 pm
Mr. Rizvi, make sure they sing "America the beautiful' after every prayer.
Ahmad Nadeem
June 23, 2012 5:21 pm
So that is all left for NFP to discuss ! Every day there is target killing in Karachi, most heinous crime does not catch NFP's roving eyes, ironically trivia does..
AAKNiazi
June 23, 2012 2:02 pm
Marxists owed allegiance to Hammer & Sickle. An ideology that failed miserably , finally shot down by one of its own,Gorbachove, the ideology is dead & burried in the dust bin of the history. NFP is a pseudo Marxist under the guise of secularism still clinging to a lost cause.
haris
June 23, 2012 12:17 pm
Flags only symbolizes our real frustration and hate living in the society amalgamated with religious extremism and liberalism. The problem is common people are not well aware of the choices they make whether it comes to elect a democratic government, protesting for "right". Irony ! We live happily under dictators but protest for justice in illegitimate government, we vote the corrupt people to power then repent our actions. We brain wash our children telling about "west a.k.a farangi" and then blame suicide attacks on taliban for being insane and brain washed. I agree with NFP we have become deluded with realizing our real enemy, the so-called pseudo islamists.
Mirza Gulfam Baig
June 23, 2012 8:46 am
Well Truly I agree with you ... Why should it be shameful for a country to train guerrillas who may eventually decide upon the fate of a war as Quaid-e-Azam urged us to fight in defense of our country wherever it is needed: in jungles, mountains or plains. Why so? The answer is simple with instances of American Army's Privatization over the years and the notorious Black Water, an organization originated from a school in North Carolina. Well these militants are being used as anti-bodies against ourselves not only causing physical damage but fracturing our image in the long run... It is foolish not to think that war may not hit us on large scale with any superpower_they (Militant Guerrillas) are the best safe guard.
manghirmalani
June 23, 2012 8:14 am
agreed-Saudi are liability
Saeed
June 23, 2012 6:45 am
Jairam, you have stolen my words. I wish, we Pakistanis as a nation could channel our potentials in the right direction rather than being on suicide mission.
kayT
June 23, 2012 5:49 am
ROFL
kayT
June 23, 2012 5:43 am
Bad education, religiousness and conspiracy theories go hand in hand
Abdullah K.Niazi
June 23, 2012 5:02 am
When I was in Punjab university (1963-65),we protested, we shouted, we raised slogans against Ayub Khan ,we faced tear gas, police baton charges but neve ever thought of burning our country's flag. I guess that was the difference between us & so called Marxists. Their flag flew in Kremlin.
Komal S
June 23, 2012 2:16 am
This is the attitude of an average pakistani i cannot understand. Why do you have to insult your Hindu heritage for your problems. There is still this mindset that Hindus are inferior and becoming muslim should change all of that. I have no issues with Muslims being proud of their religion but having this superiority complex will forever doom your country. Dawn would have no issue letting this insult against Hindus publish but will NOT publish my response.
Baba Sidni
June 23, 2012 2:08 am
Bravo, no harm in self disillusionment!
Baba Sidni
June 23, 2012 2:06 am
You know it a good business for some to provide these flags on demand. There is some serious money to be made.
Ghani Khan
June 22, 2012 11:24 pm
NFP - You live under Pak flag, you nourished under it, your favourite hero ZAB loved this flag. What is your gripe? A flag is a symbol of a nation, a country that we identify with. Which flag , represents your ideology ? Th Marxist flag does n't even fly in Moscow.
Cyrus Howell
June 22, 2012 10:02 pm
Ziaul Haq told Charlie Wilson (the US congressman who raised $1 billion for the Mujahideen fighters), "the arms and money must flow through us" and Ziaul Haq handled the transactions.
Cyrus Howell
June 22, 2012 9:53 pm
It is not quite that simple. Ask yourself why is the relationship between the Pakistan Army and all these NW frontier bandits so close? Here is a clue, it is not about voting, and it is not about religion.
Cyrus Howell
June 22, 2012 9:48 pm
Chinese tradition is not to fight wars. American tradition is not to fight wars of conquest. Pakistan and Afghanistan have nothing we want. America is simply the police force for big business. Washington never quite knew who they were dealing with in the Middle East or South Asia. Now Washington at least knows.
Cyrus Howell
June 22, 2012 9:38 pm
Sweden has not had a war for almost five hundred years, and they strive to be the most progressive nation in the world. They are an industrial society that experimented with socialism. Norway may even be better.
Khalid
June 22, 2012 7:56 pm
are you a zoologist?
zeeshan
June 22, 2012 6:25 pm
that exactly what we don't want in our country Uncle Sam. we hate America because they have made Pakistan a hell by fighting their battle in our soil. how many people were killed in 9-11 incidient, perhaps 5000. and how many lives, innocent lives have been taken by American crooks since october 2001? countless. as for as terrorists hiding here in Pakistan, we can handle them, YOU need not to worry. OK.
manish
June 22, 2012 6:24 pm
maybe you forget the massacres of tajiks in central afghanistan by taliban...they were slaughtered in thousands..the women were treated as sub-human, and worse than cattle...they turned a war ravaged country into a into a replica of 7th century arab.. US, before attacking afghanistan, asked talibans to hand over obl, but they did not comply.. also US attacked after a period of around 21 days..most of the civilian had fled by then...., no doubt casualities were there..but it was because talibs instead of fighting went into hiding.. the us killing in iraq was preceeded by decades of sustained murder of shias, kurds, and kuwaitis.. not many in the islamic world objected to it..the iran-iraq war was again a needless one, imposed by evil saddam on unsuspecting iranians who were just fresh from revolution....i do not appreciate america for what it did to innocents, rather stand by you in condemning these attacks, but to replace a larger evil with a smaller one is a hard decision, and as humans we sometimes are compelled to take such decisions.
Cyrus Howell
June 22, 2012 5:22 pm
The less developed Pakistan in some ways reminds me of America in the Late 19th Century. Many of the progressive battles were the same. The corrupt politics, the many ethnic groups - forty years before the actual founding of labor unions where people could raise wages and protect each other and not compete with banned child labor. American women were a big part of the progressive movement in the cities. They had trash removed from immigrant neighborhoods, bath houses to wash the children, settlement houses to teach English to new comers and feed the hungry give some medical care. Even give lessons in civic responsibility and American history. In Pakistan women can't leave home to go on their own and do charity work and raise money for it. Your religionists care for the poor but they are not progressives. They cannot move society forward.
Cyrus Howell
June 22, 2012 4:56 pm
"I only look objectively and value justly what I see and express it honestly. Whoever does not admire great beauty is a person who lacks sensitivity, taste, and observation. Western civilization has reached the summit of science and technology. It has achieved knowledge, skills, and new discoveries, as no previous civilization before it. The accomplishments of Western civilization cover all areas of life: methods of organization, politics, ethics, economics, and human rights. It is our obligation to acknowledge its amazing excellence. Indeed, this is a civilization that deserves admiration. … The horrible backwardness in which some nations live is the inevitable result of their refusal to accept this [abundance of Western ideas and visions] while taking refuge in denial and arrogance." (Ibrahim al-Buleihi)
BuSaif
June 22, 2012 4:51 pm
Jovi, we are not discussing the people living in India following the deoband school.... one of the point i wanna clarify is that this Taliban movement is the out spring of deoband sherif in India... Incidently if the deobandis are not doing as bad as these guys, it is good for the Indians.... Furthermore the Jamat e Tabligh who does not harm much physically is also a movement from Deoband sherif. To drag a country Saudia in something related to Taliban is quiet away same like the guys burning flag in the last para of NFP above... Hope things are clearer... Peace
Cyrus Howell
June 22, 2012 4:48 pm
Sad but true. I know two brothers from Somalia who crossed the desert to Libya and left from there to the USA. They are doing well. If people accept their fate, or a young man's father does not want him to leave the farm they are chained to the land. Bin Laden's father started out as a construction laborer. Hard work on the farm doesn't pay off, but hard work and good ideas in business do. Opportunity = Freedom. Chairman Mao ze -dong cursed his father and left the farm to go to elementary school. Henry Ford (founder of Ford Motor Company was a farm boy who left the farm to make automobiles and became a ruthless capitalist, but he did have a vision - that every American family could afford one of his cars. + "In America we judge you by what you do, not by who your father was." * --- Major General Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain ( who was a professor of religion and the classics). Wounded eight times in the American Civil War and winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor at Gettysburg.
Cyrus Howell
June 22, 2012 4:28 pm
These are trolls.
Cyrus Howell
June 22, 2012 4:23 pm
There are no friends at cards or world politics. Finley Peter Dunne
Just Muslim
June 22, 2012 4:11 pm
BuSaif! There's no big difference in Deobandi and Salafi sects. I have not seen any condemnation from any Deobandi or Salafi scholars against any attack on innocent civilians. Prove me wrong if you show any condemnation from Indian Deobandi's or Saudi Salafi's
Irfan
June 22, 2012 4:05 pm
Jovi, please go and listen to Zakir Naik first. I am sure you would change your views.
John
June 22, 2012 3:50 pm
Both!!!!
Cyrus Howell
June 22, 2012 3:37 pm
People who cannot understand what is happening to them create there own reasons, which may be logical in their minds. Unfortunately conspiracy theories usually are filled with our worst fears (which does not help much).
Cyrus Howell
June 22, 2012 3:33 pm
That is a nice complement.
Cyrus Howell
June 22, 2012 3:32 pm
It is frustration entirely, but it is a bit like flailing the darkness.
Sam
June 22, 2012 2:51 pm
thats the point my dear friend... can you say with conviction that pakistan is doing its bit... no they are not, and hence other countries are pounding on your soil and questioning your sovereignty... had the pakistan government acted against the safe havens and terrorist hiding inside their territory i don't think any one has any business in pakistan.... and nobody would be bombing on your countries borders...
Sam
June 22, 2012 2:38 pm
greatest country of the world... who you talking of ??
Bulbul
June 22, 2012 2:29 pm
Crap!
annas
June 22, 2012 2:06 pm
This nation requires a century more to instill the seeds of revolution. We had been under the influence of so many issues that we forget the meaning of revolution.
Ali
June 22, 2012 2:01 pm
"Some of us thought that it was not such a good idea because the Zia regime would then get a bigger excuse to crackdown on the organisation with even more brute a force." and that was your only objection to the Pakistani flag! and you have following in Pakistan.. ! God save Pakistan!
Rational
June 22, 2012 1:58 pm
Please write something about the fact that why people around the globe hate US and why its flag is burnt ubiquitously. Who is the bigger hate monger US or the flag burning Pakistani citizens?
Ali
June 22, 2012 12:28 pm
so there is a justified stance to become a terrorist, is that what you saying Rehman ?? who is using terrorism as a state owned policy is known to everyone... people have confessed and its time and time again proved who actually is behind it.. so wake up you.... as for the kashmiri youths, they were indoctrinated by the very PURE land and used as a bait for their own selfish propositions. Kashmiris are our brethren and we will always be one inshallah.... gujarat incident was unfortunate and you should have pointed the other side of coin too... but then you are not expected to know the complete truth...... lastly shame on the ones who justify shameless acts.... lets keep our own house in order and then point fingers on others... its time we start looking into ourselves for our own good.
Albeit
June 22, 2012 12:10 pm
Actually, his article use is correct albeit pretentious. Almost as pretentious as using the word "albeit". Thus, a pretentious, out-of-place and troll-y remark it was.
A Rehman
June 22, 2012 11:02 am
Why Omer Patik chose to become a terrorist, is something for you to think. And shame for THOSE who use terrorism as a state owned policy. Mere jugglary of words will not wash away the blood of 80,000 Kashmiri youths, and hundreds of those who were burnt alive in Gujarat, and hundreds of those who were slaughtered in Samjhota express. SHAME FOR THE SHAMELESS FOR POINTING FINGERS AT OTHERS.
Wazir Khan
June 22, 2012 10:55 am
Use of correct article is recommended before pointing fingers towards the greatest country of the World.
Wazir Khan
June 22, 2012 10:54 am
Yes Bharat is soon becoming our friend.
Wazir Khan
June 22, 2012 10:52 am
Because Nissar, Sethi and alikes are paid for what they do.